Voting Comments

Record #: 1-A-05

Whooper Swan

REJECT: (1-6)
1st Round: 2-5
2nd Round: 1-6

1st Round
(2 Accept, 5 Reject)

2nd Round
(1 Accept, 6 Reject)

Shirley Sturts -- Reject, natural occurrence questionable

According to Sibley "Escapes are occasionally seen". I would like to know the thoughts of other Committee members on this sighting.

05-04-2007.
Shirley Sturts -- Reject, specific identification not established

I'm staying with my reject vote. From the Committee coments and additional information it looks like both the identification and the natural occurrence are questionable.

Chuck Trost -- Accept

Good write-up and excellent photos. I think he is right about the head shape and size eliminating Bewick's. I know many other people saw this bird also.

05-07-2007.
chuck trost -- Reject, specific identification not established

I agree that it is too small for this species, and suspect either a hybrid or a Bewick's juvenile. I also suspect rare waterfowl in the Haggerman area in general.

Dave Trochlell -- Reject, natural occurrence questionable

This appears to be an imm. Whooper Swan, although I've read that there's been a question as to whether or not it's a hybrid swan. Perhaps more troubling here is the question of origin, given that the Hagerman Valley is a location where free-flying, exotic birds are frequently reported. For this reason, I believe we should reject this potential record.

05-07-2007.
Dave Trochlell -- Reject, natural occurrence questionable

As before, I reject this candidate on the basis of its wild provenance, especially when the report comes from the Hagerman Valley, which is an area renowned for escaped avicultural waterfowl. That said, I'm still also concerned that this candidate swan may not even be a genetically "pure" Whooper Swan.

Cliff Weisse -- Reject, specific identification not established

Although this individual appears similar to a juvenile Whooper Swan there are some characters that I feel are not consistent with that identification. The main points of contention are extent of yellow on bill and neck structure.

Extent of Yellow on Bill: The extent of yellow on the bill is less than on any photo of a known Whooper of similar or older age I've seen. I'm looking at this character in two ways; where the yellow ends relative to the nostril; and what percentage of the length of the bill contains yellow. On all photos of Whoopers that I've seen the distal end of the yellow patch extends more than half way down the length of the bill. On the Idaho bird it ends less than half way down the length of the bill, which actually may be within the range of variation of Bewick's Tundra Swan(?). Another way I'm trying to evaluate this character is that the yellow extends to the distal end of the nostril on all Whoopers I've seen photos of. On the Idaho bird the yellow extends short of half way down the nostril. Although there is considerable variation in the shape and overall extent of the yellow patch in Whooper Swan, the point where the distal end of the yellow patch ends on the bill is very consistent in the limited photo sample I've looked at. I realize there is variation but I haven't yet seen a Whooper Swan that has a yellow patch as limited as on the Idaho bird.

Neck Structure: In the photos I've found, Whoopers consistently appear obviously thicker-necked than Trumpeters. The Idaho bird appears relatively thin-necked in all photos, consistent with Tundra in this character. There are Trumpeters in some photos for comparison and the neck consistently looks thin. Posture obviously plays a role in the apparent structure of the neck but I can't find any photos of Whoopers that come close to having such a thin neck, and I've found several that show birds in an alert posture with neck straight up and appearing thinner than Whoopers in a more relaxed posture.

Because of these anomalous characters I feel that "Bewick's" Tundra Swan, and especially Tundra x Whooper Swan, can not be ruled out in this case.

Even if this individual could safely be classified as a Whooper Swan the issue of natural occurrence of this species is suspect. There are numerous waterfowl breeders active in the Hagerman area as well as in other parts of the Snake River plain. Swans are popular with these breeders and escapees are regular as evidenced by the past occurrence of other exotic waterfowl species. This said there is some evidence to support natural occurrence. Other Asian vagrants were reported during the same time period including Whooper Swan in WA state as well as a juvenile "Bewick's" Tundra Swan at the same location where this individual was seen.

5/7/2007.
Cliff Weisse -- Reject, specific identification not established

Aside from the questions about provenance I still feel that this bird has characters that are not consistent with the identification of Whooper Swan. Those points are the limited extent of yellow on the bill and especially the short and very thin neck. Killian Mullarney's comment to the effect that these features are "possibly anomolous" (see addendum by C. Weisse 11/2/06) certainly casts doubt on the identification.

Carlisle -- Reject, natural occurrence questionable

Critical field marks observed & documented in photos. I have 2 reservations: 1) wild or escapee and 2) size. 1) As with all waterfowl, it's difficult to know the origin of birds seen well out of range due to the existence of captive breeding and escapees. I think the IBRC should establish guidelines for species such as this whose origin may be wild but must be questioned. 2) In photos # 2 & 3, the bird in question appears noticeably smaller (possibly 5-10%) than the nearby immature Trumpeter Swans yet National Geographic lists them as being of similar size. Could this be a sex difference?

06-02-2007.
Carlisle -- Reject, specific identification not established

I'm stumped and have struggled with this re-vote for weeks. While I still have questions about natural occurrence, the # of reports from western states suggests the real possibility of an actual vagrant of this species. However, Cliff's points about the shape of the yellow patch raise doubts and, while I don't think it's as simple as it being a Bewick's with some extra yellow (suggested by some in the e-mail log but I have more 'issues' with that identification), I don't know that I can say with 100% certainty that it's a pure Whooper.

Charles Swift -- Accept

The identification seems pretty clear cut and the report sites the article by Terry McEaneny (Yellowstone biologist) providing a rationale for natural occurrence of the species in NA.

6/26/07.
Charles Swift -- Accept

This was a tough one but I am voting to accept again. The reports make a good case for the species identification and photos are consistent with information in sources available to me (e.g. looks very much like fig. 29b in Waterfowl by Madge & Burn). In addition, Killian Mullarney provides strong support for the ID in his comments. So the question for me was origin and again there is good support for natural occurrence of the species from several sources and based on recent records. There is mention of waterfowl fanciers in the area but no specific information is provided. This was actually the first I had heard of this although perhaps it is common knowledge among southern Idaho birders. Was there an attempt to contact any of these folks to find out if Whooper Swans are kept in captivity locally?? More information on this might be useful for future or past records (for example does this bring into question the Hagerman Tufted Duck record which I believe was accepted as naturally occurring).

Dumroese -- Reject, natural occurrence questionable

The photos show what appears to me as a juvenile WHSW. The written description is very thin for a potential first record. My nagging concern is origin, and how we deal with this as a committee.

27 May 2007.
Hardy -- Reject, specific identification not established

The experts did not reach a consensus on whether this bird is a Whooper or a Bewick's. After wading through the analyses that Cliff has collected, I can only conclude that this bird might be a Whooper, but an identification of Bewick's has not been eliminated. And there is also the possibility of a hybrid.

I was quite struck by the skinny neck of this individual compared to the Whooper photos forwarded by Cliff. Structure can vary, too, but I think structure is a more important consideration than the distribution of yellow on the bill, which certainly shows much variation between individuals of Tundra/Bewick's.

Perhaps this record can be resurrected with new information on variability in the Asian Whooper population that would be the most likely source of a vagrant in Idaho, but at present, too many doubts exist to accept this as a first state record. After reading McEneaney's article on the Yellowstone Whooper, I would be interested in the notes on the Whooper records accepted by CA/OR.

If a reevaluation determines the bird is indeed a Whooper, acceptance of the record faces a second hurdle, that of provenance. At this point, I would be inclined to not accept the record based on the question of natural occurrence.