Voting Comments
Record #: 81-B-06
Broad-winged Hawk
1st Round: (4-3)
2nd Round: (3-4)
Third Round: 7-0
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3rd Round |
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11-21-2009
The two photographed birds are diagnostic. |
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7-3-10
(Sorry for delay - didn't realize I was still to vote on this) I fully agree with the provisions & understand their reasoning. Can we at least link the published article (below) to this record? http://idahobirds.net/reports/idaho/WBirdsV38-4_Carlisle.pdf |
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12-27-2009
I go back and forth on this, but there is little doubt about the pictures. |
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11/20/09 Photos are conclusive. |
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12-11-2009
I accept under the special provisions outlined by the Committee. |
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2/10/10
Photographs clearly show Broad-winged Hawks and the provisions for acceptance seem a reasonable way to handle these dataset. |
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27 November 2009
The report is not available for this round, but my notes show that I found all the sightings acceptable except the October one. |
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1st Round |
2nd Round |
| 05-04-2007. Shirley Sturts -- Accept Photo, description and the experience of those on doing a hawk watch convice that these sightings are correct. |
06-24-2007. Sturts -- Reject, specific identification not established After reading the 1st round comments and email discussion by those providing further comments on this report, I have changed my vote to reject because... I still believe that the 215 observations are mostly, if not all, correctly identified, as they were recorded by those trained in hawk identification. Also, I commend Jay for putting together this valuable and excellent report of sightings from the IBO. However, I think the Committee should vote to accept only those with written and/or photographic evidence provided by the individual observers on each observation. |
| 05-05-2007. Carlisle -- Accept I saw many of the birds .... |
6-30-07. Carlisle -- Accept Yes, an unorthodox report (multiple individuals over many years) but I trust the data and think these data need to be part of the official state records .... |
| 05-06-2007. chuck trost -- Reject, specific identification not established Even though the photo was of this species, I think we should not vote on multiple records without a description of each. |
07-02-2007. chuck trost -- Reject, specific identification not established I still feel nervous in accepting bulk sightings, even if probably valid. |
| 5/9/07. Cliff Weisse -- Reject, specific identification not established As much as I hate to do this I'm just not comfortable accepting these records without some details provided by the observers. Even a cursory form including notations of field marks observed during each sighting would be very helpful. While I'm am aware of the knowledge of some of the listed observers there are some that I do not know which makes me skeptical. I'm not saying I have suspicions that they are in any way lacking the necessary knowledge of raptor ID, I just don't know that they do. This report contains a wealth of information regarding Broad-winged Hawk migration timing and it should be a part of the record in some fashion, but I'm not sure how that will be accomplished. Hopefully we will be able to work out a way to accept most, if not all, of these records but for now I can't, with any degree of confidence, accept each occurrence included in this report as a valid record given the lack of details available. |
7/3/2007. Cliff Weisse -- Reject, specific identification not established Because of the lack of a description of the individual birds I'm not comfortable accepting this record. I'm sure most, if not all, of the ID's are correct but I would like to see at least a cursory list of the field marks actually seen on each bird. I realize it's not possible to obtain this data for these records but maybe it can be obtained for future sightings at Lucky Peak. |
| 05-11-2007. Dave Trochlell -- Accept The IBO BWHA data is the best documentation we have on that species in Idaho, and I have every confidence in its veracity. |
07-08-2007. Dave Trochlell -- Accept This was the most difficult IBRC voting decision I've faced to date! Whereas I agree with the argument against accepting composite reports in principle, I think in this case the IBRC should accept this and the similar Red-shoulder Hawk composite reports -- on a ONE-TIME-ONLY exception basis. From this time onward, the IBRC should expect individual rare bird reports for BWHA & RSHA sightings from the IBO...that is, if we don't delist these species after accepting the records. My reasons for acceptance are: 1) I've seen some of these BWHAs myself. 2) Most, if not all of these BWHAs were seen by multiple, very competent observers. 3) There is too much valuable data at stake here to discard or relegate to the obscurity of "Other Sightings" or "Miscellaneous Data". The problem is that the IBRC has no special category for these kinds of data; either we accept the composite record and make the data useful or we discard it. 4) As Charles already noted, the data has already been published in NAB (by me) and will hopefully be published in another journal soon. Rightly or wrongly, data that has been published is considered factual information by all. 5) Finally, I'm guessing that at the time of these sightings nobody asked the BWHA and RSHA observers to file individual rare bird reports. |
| 5/15/2007. Charles Swift -- Accept This is a thorough report of the occurrence of Broad-winged Hawk as a rare but regular migrant at Lucky Peak in sw Idaho. Somewaht of an unorthodox account but I certainly accept that this species is regular at this site (and more likely to be seen here than elsewhere as migrating raptors are concetrated). |
6/26/07. Charles Swift -- Accept Accept again. I'm assuming this record will be rejected again but obviously we need to find some way to include these sightings in the record. Unfortunately there is probably currently no way to reconsider a rejected record (although I haven't checked the bylaws on this). |
| 28 May 2007. Hardy -- Reject, specific identification not established Jay's report mentions an October 25 sighting which is the only thing that bothers me about this composite record. Unfortunately, the table that accompanies the report is not available, and hence there is no way to see how far out of line the Oct 25 date is compared to the pattern of other dates. Lucky Peak has the lion's share of BWHA records, so it is not surprising that the Lucky Peak records would push the season past the latest date (Oct 1) recorded for the rest of the state. If Oct 25 is truly an aberrant date, perhaps this record should be considered as a separate report from the composite. |
2 July 2007. Hardy -- Reject, specific identification not established I am not comfortable with the undocumented late October outlier. |